DIY Speaker Choice - 第5页

有门! · Dec 16th, 2011, 17:06

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作者: silent_fish

看看Pluto的评价

http://bbs.hifidiy.net/viewthread.ph...&extra=&page=5

说了很多，但归根到底好像还是闪电提到的dsp。总之，没有的东西硬弄出来或者夸大，我本人是不好接受的。

silent_fish · Dec 16th, 2011, 17:12

和相形音箱相比，是加多，加少还有怎么加的问题。

箱型的问题就是给每种声音都加共鸣腔，也属于"没有的东西硬弄出来或者夸大", 有理由它比较讨好人声，没有证据它能提供更准确的声音。

我可以留一对ProAc听人声，一对Orion听古典, 两全其美？

hugoo · Dec 16th, 2011, 17:45

我的理解，Lighting说的dsp只是个比喻，是说这音场很宽，象是用了DSP，倒不是说真的用到了DSP。

silent_fish · Dec 16th, 2011, 17:48

应该是反射声延迟了6毫秒左右

hugoo · Dec 16th, 2011, 17:56

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作者: silent_fish

应该是反射声延迟了6毫秒左右

所以听起来像DSP过的？

silent_fish · Dec 16th, 2011, 18:21

The speaker is designed to give the experience of live concert hall, not to imitate the effect of DSP.

From the feedback the first goal is accomplished very well, with regard to the side goal DSP not too many feedback, maybe someone can shed some lights here

hugoo · Dec 16th, 2011, 18:24

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作者: silent_fish

The speaker is designed to give the experience of live concert hall, not to imitate the effect of DSP.

From the feedback the first goal is accomplis...

想起一个问题，不是所有的concert hall are the same，and not all recordings are made in concert hall neither...

silent_fish · Dec 16th, 2011, 18:30

Did you ever go to a concert hall not feeling like in a concert hall?
Do you want a sound like you are sitting in a recording studio or you want to bring the beautiful lady home and sing for you ?

OK to put it this way,

Why do you feel like it's live performance

Ambience sound
Imaging well
Sound like real instrument
Performers are in the stage giving a sense of space
You move around you still can feel them
Sound detail

Etc

Let's ask more why until we get to the solutions, there might not be a final solution, maybe there is a better solution. I am not saying Pluto/Orion is perfect, not even start building it yet

sgyyz · Dec 16th, 2011, 20:31

http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/forum...22258&start=15

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As for the Linkwitz Plutos 2.1, I auditioned them thanks to the good graces of a Pluto owner in New Jersey. They are simply breathtaking. The sound is completely neutral with no part exaggerated. The piano sounds real, and the voice sounds like she is singing to you right there in the living room. But the most amazing experience was the perfectly rendered soundstage, almost in three dimensions. I could actually walk around the speakers, and still had a sense of the piano over on the left, and the singer in front of it. Well-recorded symphony orchestras have a 3D quality that is out of this world--a concert hall experience.

These are not your typical home theatre speakers. They are really reproducers. There is no exaggerated bass, or sharp trebles, so for those of you who want the impact of electronically rendered explosions and sound effects of today's CGI movies, these speakers are not for you. But if you like to listen to ensembles, singers, orchestras, acoustic jazz, and so on, and you enjoy attending live acoustic concerts, you really need to go to the Linkwitz site on the Pluto page and find somebody in your area who is happy to have you audition their Plutos.

hugoo · Dec 16th, 2011, 21:45

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作者: silent_fish

Did you ever go to a concert hall not feeling like in a concert hall?
Do you want a sound like you are sitting in a recording studio or you want to b...

很多recording都是在recording studio里面做的，这样的recording是不是适合Linkwitz是个问题。

我想的出来的solution就是你说的，搞两套系统， Linkwitz + ProAc

老广 · Dec 16th, 2011, 23:10

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作者: 千金顶

http://bbs.hifidiy.net/viewthread.ph...extra=page%3D2

这个虽然说是枪文，但IMO，也是事实。我的感觉也的确也如此。
本来我对倒相箱都不感兴趣的，对开口的更加不以为然。但是听过以后确是看法改变了。问题就是没有那么大的环境，我还是要继续用闭箱。

silent_fish · Dec 17th, 2011, 11:42

我觉得Pluto也不错

千金顶 · Dec 17th, 2011, 21:41

这些都是旁门左道，俺老不感兴趣。还是大箱是硬道理。俺的土炮要突破150斤一个了。。

100khz · Dec 18th, 2011, 09:50

我用过两分频密闭箱，DIY三分频大型倒相箱，目前用的是Magnepan MMG（Maggie ），坛上很多烧友上次聚会都听过的。

我认为三种结构Spaeker各有优缺点，要看个人口味。
密闭箱和倒相箱有低音的优势，但open baffle的优势是非线性失真很小，声场开阔自然，lifelike，这是密闭箱和倒相箱永远做不到的。
DIY三分频大型倒相箱时研究了很多音箱资料后才定型动手做。
买MMG前也对她的低音表现有疑虑，所以但事实证明MMG这样的经典open baffle，虽然是Magnepan的最小型号，她的频响50Hz-26000Hz是货真价实的。

还是看看这个JAMO open baffle

Highlights

Ultimate high-performance audio technology

Unique Danish design floor-standing speaker

Detailed, lifelike sound for all your favorite music

Hear bass as its meant to be: clean, reverberation-free

* Two massive 15-inch woofers,
* A Seas magnesium midrange driver
* A customized Scan Speak Revelator tweeter
* A beautiful high-gloss, 1.7-inch thick baffle, with
unique multi-ply construction

Specs
System Type 3-way dipole
Woofer (mm/in) 2 x 380 / 15
Midrange (mm/in) 140 / 5½
Tweeter (mm/in) 25 / 1
Power (W, long/short term) 550 / 800
Sensitivity (dB, 2.8V/1m) 89
Frequency Range (Hz) 35Hz-30kHz
Impedance (Ohm) 4
Weight (kg/lb) 63.1 / 139.1
Product dimensions (mm/in, HxWxD) 1276 x 488 x 541 / 50.2 x 19.2 x 21.3
Finishes Piano Black, High Gloss Red

http://www.jamo.com/images/c/16/800x800.aspx

http://www.jamo.com/images/c/21/800x800.aspx

http://www.jamo.com/images/c/13/800x800.aspx

hugoo · Dec 18th, 2011, 19:49

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作者: 100khz

我用过两分频密闭箱，DIY三分频大型倒相箱，目前用的是Magnepan MMG（Maggie ），坛上很多烧友上次聚会都听过的。

我认为三种结构Spaeker各有优缺点，要看个人口味。
密闭箱和倒相箱有低音的优势，但open baffle的优势是非线性失真很小，声场开阔自然，lif...

6moons review:
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/jamo/909.html
价钱：
amazon卖$6,995.00 一个！

http://www.amazon.com/Jamo-909-Refer.../dp/B003061FAK

lighting · Dec 18th, 2011, 20:35

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作者: hugoo

amazon卖$6,995.00 一个！

因为你的Amazon 链接，偶尔看到了这个，有一点歪楼：

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ygO7%2BUjnL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

因为这音箱在这次多伦多音响展上也见过听过，没觉得特好看，也没觉得特好听。普通而已。

但在Amazon 的价格： $53,999.95 !

这是买家的点评：

The speakers are only $119.00 per pair.

but unfortunately they didn't sound any better than my old Cerwin Vega speakers so I sent them back..

I seriously doubt he could tell the difference between these and a $300 pair of Polk's (and that's being polite).

Well I purchased these speakers for my bathroom.

最后的点评，比较准确地说出了这款音箱的用处，为富人家浴室点缀用的，透明的箱体确实与浴室很Match!

silent_fish · Dec 18th, 2011, 20:48

我记的Jamo 909的评价不太高，以前sgyyz也介绍过，可能是搭配的关系

http://www.whathifi.com/review/jamo-r909

For

A big, powerful sound, free from the usual box effects; plenty of bass weight and excellent detail

Against

Not exactly small, and not exactly cheap; need top-quality sources and amplification

hugoo · Dec 18th, 2011, 21:06

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作者: lighting

因为你的Amazon 链接，偶尔看到了这个，有一点歪楼：
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA300_.jpg
因为这音箱在这次多伦多音响展上也见过听过，没觉得特好看，也没觉得特好听。普通而已。
...

艺术无价，艺术品买的贵点没啥，反正target customer不是我们。

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作者: silent_fish

我记的Jamo 909的评价不太高，以前sgyyz也介绍过，可能是搭配的关系
http://www.whathifi.com/review/jamo-r909
For
A big, powerful sound, free from the usual box effects; ...

Jamo这个牌子怎么样？好像不是很有名得highend牌子吧？
看spec好像也没用电分，和Linkwitz有差距也很正常。

silent_fish · Dec 18th, 2011, 21:12

等有钱也弄两对

hugoo · Dec 18th, 2011, 21:36

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作者: silent_fish

等有钱也弄两对

哎，都奔4张的人了，没多少时间可以等啰.

Dec 16th, 2011, 17:45	只看该作者 #83
hugoo Senior Member 注册日期: Jan 2008 帖子: 1,974 积分:11 精华:4 声望: 1172365	我的理解，Lighting说的dsp只是个比喻，是说这音场很宽，象是用了DSP，倒不是说真的用到了DSP。
	------------------------------- You Cannot Be Serious!

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silent_fish Senior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 635 积分:8 精华:3 声望: 3	Did you ever go to a concert hall not feeling like in a concert hall? Do you want a sound like you are sitting in a recording studio or you want to bring the beautiful lady home and sing for you ? OK to put it this way, Why do you feel like it's live performance Ambience sound Imaging well Sound like real instrument Performers are in the stage giving a sense of space You move around you still can feel them Sound detail Etc Let's ask more why until we get to the solutions, there might not be a final solution, maybe there is a better solution. I am not saying Pluto/Orion is perfect, not even start building it yet 此帖于 Dec 16th, 2011 20:23 被 silent_fish 编辑。

Dec 18th, 2011, 09:50	只看该作者 #94
100khz Senior Member 注册日期: Aug 2010 住址: GTA 帖子: 264 声望: 0	看看这个JAMO旗舰，双15吋三分频，open baffle 我用过两分频密闭箱，DIY三分频大型倒相箱，目前用的是Magnepan MMG（Maggie ），坛上很多烧友上次聚会都听过的。我认为三种结构Spaeker各有优缺点，要看个人口味。密闭箱和倒相箱有低音的优势，但open baffle的优势是非线性失真很小，声场开阔自然，lifelike，这是密闭箱和倒相箱永远做不到的。 DIY三分频大型倒相箱时研究了很多音箱资料后才定型动手做。买MMG前也对她的低音表现有疑虑，所以但事实证明MMG这样的经典open baffle，虽然是Magnepan的最小型号，她的频响50Hz-26000Hz是货真价实的。还是看看这个JAMO open baffle Highlights Ultimate high-performance audio technology Unique Danish design floor-standing speaker Detailed, lifelike sound for all your favorite music Hear bass as its meant to be: clean, reverberation-free * Two massive 15-inch woofers, * A Seas magnesium midrange driver * A customized Scan Speak Revelator tweeter * A beautiful high-gloss, 1.7-inch thick baffle, with unique multi-ply construction Specs System Type 3-way dipole Woofer (mm/in) 2 x 380 / 15 Midrange (mm/in) 140 / 5½ Tweeter (mm/in) 25 / 1 Power (W, long/short term) 550 / 800 Sensitivity (dB, 2.8V/1m) 89 Frequency Range (Hz) 35Hz-30kHz Impedance (Ohm) 4 Weight (kg/lb) 63.1 / 139.1 Product dimensions (mm/in, HxWxD) 1276 x 488 x 541 / 50.2 x 19.2 x 21.3 Finishes Piano Black, High Gloss Red

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silent_fish Senior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 635 积分:8 精华:3 声望: 3	和相形音箱相比，是加多，加少还有怎么加的问题。箱型的问题就是给每种声音都加共鸣腔，也属于"没有的东西硬弄出来或者夸大", 有理由它比较讨好人声，没有证据它能提供更准确的声音。我可以留一对ProAc听人声，一对Orion听古典, 两全其美？

Dec 16th, 2011, 17:48	只看该作者 #84
silent_fish Senior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 635 积分:8 精华:3 声望: 3	应该是反射声延迟了6毫秒左右

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silent_fish Senior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 635 积分:8 精华:3 声望: 3	The speaker is designed to give the experience of live concert hall, not to imitate the effect of DSP. From the feedback the first goal is accomplished very well, with regard to the side goal DSP not too many feedback, maybe someone can shed some lights here

Dec 17th, 2011, 11:42	只看该作者 #92
silent_fish Senior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 635 积分:8 精华:3 声望: 3	我觉得Pluto也不错

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千金顶 Senior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 2,727 积分:29 精华:10 声望: 4236622	这些都是旁门左道，俺老不感兴趣。还是大箱是硬道理。俺的土炮要突破150斤一个了。。

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silent_fish Senior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 635 积分:8 精华:3 声望: 3	我记的Jamo 909的评价不太高，以前sgyyz也介绍过，可能是搭配的关系 http://www.whathifi.com/review/jamo-r909 For A big, powerful sound, free from the usual box effects; plenty of bass weight and excellent detail Against Not exactly small, and not exactly cheap; need top-quality sources and amplification

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silent_fish Senior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 635 积分:8 精华:3 声望: 3	等有钱也弄两对