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旧 May 28th, 2004, 09:19     #1
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有人说中国人没有宗教,其实不对的。中国人老祖宗发明的“天伦”,已经融化在中国人的血液中,基因里。

不见中国人日常的用语里,充满着尊天意、行天道的精神吗?所谓

不得伤天害理,否则天诛地灭;
天下兴亡,匹夫有责;
谋事在人,成事在天;
天命不可违,万物有其道;
天网恢恢,疏而不漏 ;
天子之责,替天行道;
天做之合,地成之缘,拜天拜地拜父母
。。。

中国人的天论同佛教有类似之处,但强调的是社稷国家天地万物,不象佛教那么注重个人修身正果。而且中国的天道说是非常OPEN的,对来世、轮回、报应、神鬼,都采取不置可否,听其自然的态度。唯一强调的是天为最尊,万物循其道,天意不可违。

实际上我觉得中国人天道说,已经达到了超宗教的境界。中国人就是信别的宗教,一般也狂热不起来,同这个应该有关吧。
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旧 May 28th, 2004, 09:29     #2
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即使是“自性的显现”,也要尊天道。

天不是造物主,是万物之道的体现。
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旧 May 28th, 2004, 09:45     #3
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天道也不是“永恒不变”的啊,“因缘而生”,这个缘就有天道的成分。

“生”后之事,天道也管。
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旧 May 28th, 2004, 09:55     #4
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by b747lr:
天道也不是“永恒不变”的啊,“因缘而生”,这个缘就有天道的成分。

“生”后之事,天道也管。 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

那天道还包括什么?看来兄是要开山立宗了,和和 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

呵呵,按我的理解,天意人不明释,全靠人的心领神会。

不象佛教,犹太教(基督教),有经文来解释神意。

但人违背天道,则毕受天谴,象爱兹、疯牛、SARS,都是人背天道行事的结果。
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旧 May 28th, 2004, 10:07     #5
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我觉得疯牛病简直是神奇啊,它并不是病毒或细菌,一种蛋白质就能至病,现在还无法解释原因。

我是相信,牛本来是吃草的,你非要给它吃动物肉骨,不出事才怪。

天意难违。
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旧 May 28th, 2004, 10:29     #6
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我觉得天道论最合理的之一,就是天不是为了人而设的,是管世间万物之道。

所以天意只可以心领神会,由人摸索,但没有现成答案。
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tangchao:
那么中华民族5000年历史,摸索出的答案是什么呢? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

背天道行事,必受天谴。

顺天而为,国昌民富。
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我知道佛教伦理, 甚是了得,不好反驳。

只能说多数人还是无法“解脱”,尘世之欲,不可抗拒啊。

惭愧。
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旧 May 28th, 2004, 12:13     #9
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tangchao:
那些都太玄虚了.
圣经里的故事是真实发生的故事,圣经里的神迹也是建立在事实之上的,所以看似玄,可是研究又发现并不违背客观规律.
比如出埃及,过红海,科学家们发现,红海中间有条山脊,如果风大的话,海平面变化,山脊会露出海面,当时的以色列人就是走在这条山脊上过红海的.

圣经故事读的越多就越发现上帝的神奇却又无可辩驳. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

你根本就没明白他的意思。

佛法本身是自成体现,自园其说的,论理是驳不倒的。不象基督教,还要靠“神迹”来说服人,理论上也是漏洞百出。

所以他一讲到那里,就无可争论了。对佛门弟子,只能说一声惭愧,算是尘缘未了。

如果你想用说理来否定佛法,那根本是白费功夫,佛法自有理在的。
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"这么复杂啊.
我只会开美国FORD,你给我波音飞机我不会开,虽然知道飞机好,可是我不会啊,我还是开我的美国FORD吧."

基督教的水平,还是处在巫婆神汉的那一级。

当然也有不少人信,无可非议。

这里不是说服谁去信那个教的问题,是在讨论教理。
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旧 May 28th, 2004, 12:34     #11
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佛法关键不单单在于理上,而是理事并重,也就是要修行,不但道理上要明白,更要在实证上做到。光会说“色即是空”没用,也真正能做到“照见五蕴皆空”。

佛法讲的是解脱,道理懂了一大堆,并不能帮助人在生死关头解脱。只有事上做到了,才算脚跟着地 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

我是明白这个,就是做不到,呵呵。

没有办法。
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我的研究心得:

就道理而言,佛法绝对是第一,但做起来实在是太难。

尘心杂念,无法摆脱啊。
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念经是为了什么?经上的内容是什么?
B747LR.你怎么又不主张天道论了?只要你给我解释再清楚些,我就决定支持你的天道论了. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

天道本身就不反对佛法,中国人就是比较包容。

也不是反对基督教,不过就是觉得基督教本身有伦理上的缺陷。
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我是觉的天道和佛法讲的差不多是一个东西。

不过佛法比较重人,天道论比较重世。
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b747lr :读过“阴符经”吗?“观天之道,执天之行,尽矣!” <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

惭愧,没读过。

只是自身领悟而已。
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Originally posted by 倚天长剑飞寒芒:
b747lr :读过“阴符经”吗?“观天之道,执天之行,尽矣!”
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惭愧,没读过。

只是自身领悟而已。

那和盲人摸路有什么区别,除非你不是盲人 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

佛教里有悟性一说,不是光读经就解决了的。

还得多学习。
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旧 May 28th, 2004, 13:21     #17
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我也拿不出书给你啊。

天道理论本来就不成书的,思想都散布在过去的典籍里面,这一句那一句的。

那天我编辑个语录出来再说吧。
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旧 May 28th, 2004, 13:27     #18
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tangchao:
什么狗屁宗教,问到实质的东西就都逃掉了, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

你小子信口雌黄啊,这就是基督徒的嘴脸吗?

你是不是又得忏悔啊。
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旧 May 28th, 2004, 13:31     #19
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看来基督徒就是撒谎成性,装神弄鬼,还出言不逊吗。
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tangchao:
作为基督徒,无时无刻不在战斗,与邪恶的灵的战斗.
对于这点,我为上帝的名而战,这次我不想忏悔. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

劝告你一句,我们一直在讨论教理,不是在“战斗”。

想战斗,到别的地方去吧。
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