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旧 Nov 14th, 2010, 16:35     #1
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默认 浅谈PENG 劲

前不久太极新手以结构性的概念谈过PENG 劲,COOKIEMONSTER 更以卦象意之。究竟何为PENG劲,对于太极初学者来讲还是一头雾水。在这里,我将我这个太极初涉者个人对PENG劲的一点粗浅体会奉献给刚刚接触太极者,希望能有所帮助。
记得刚跟师父学推手时,感到师父双臂很重,好像不使出全力就有身架被压垮的可能,可当我用力前顶时,又有踏空楼梯的感觉。师父说我太僵硬了,要放松。可当我按我的理解放松时,我的身架又瘪了,师父告诉我那不是松,是懈,缺PENG劲。
一晃几年过去了,通过站桩走架推手,对PENG劲有了一点个人体会------PENG劲就是弹簧劲。太极拳行架中的松的状态就好比弹簧的自由态,只有当其受到外力拉挤时,它就会以力的方式表现出来,形变位移越大,作用力越大。当外力撤除时,弹簧便会恢复自由态。表现在推手时,一接触对方来劲,接触点便受到挤压或拉伸,此时身体便如受力弹簧,在此状态下根据情形(取决于听劲水平)做各种变换。
通过身体关节、骨节及肌腱的正确锻炼(拉伸、卷曲等)以获取PENG劲的基本条件,经过拳架及桩功的修炼以获得周身大弹簧。PENG劲的大小及质量则由你的功力所决定。
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旧 Nov 15th, 2010, 19:17     #2
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默认 PENG劲是太极的基本功力

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棚劲是基础,是基本功。太极八法都是以棚劲为基础的。 其他七法只是在力的方向和技巧上的一些应用。练出了棚劲,什么都有了。
SUNDAY 对PENG劲的理解就是此论题的本意。
我所提出的PENG劲,并非特指八法中的PENG 劲,而是指临战前身体所处的一种状态(态势),它反映了你的太极基本功力(实力)。如大家所知弹簧力F=KX,这里的K值就代表了你的功力大小,X值取决于你的身体弹簧可正常工作的范围,这样就不难理解有的人化(发)时要有大的动作,而高手则可不见外形变化。
我个人比较看重这种身体弹簧的修炼(修身方面)。
鉴于本人太极修为尚处于幼儿园小班水平,对PENG劲的感知和理解限于机械范畴。也许高级阶段属于电子范畴,抑或属于核电子或更高的亦未可知。
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旧 Nov 15th, 2010, 21:49     #3
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默认

东西到手了,上身了,你看问题就简单化了。分得越细,究得越深,也就越迷茫。从简单入手,随缘而为,点点滴滴,汇涓成流。
我只是有感而发。
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旧 Nov 15th, 2010, 22:47     #4
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唉,好久没来,现在满坛都是高手,东西都已上身了,都已到由繁到简的化境了,极度羡慕中!
我根本就不是什么高手,我也明白你的言外之意。
我所要说的是,太极是要老老实实地去练,简简单单去做,没有什么捷径。我从未说我东西上身了,我已到化境了。
莫非老兄已是高手?!
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旧 Nov 16th, 2010, 20:46     #5
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我自认为我的确是在老老实实地练,只不过因条件限制方法不同而已。摸索的过程中偶有心得,厚着脸皮写出来,也许谬之千里,但是对是错,就是希望大家来讨论,评判。不知老兄注意否,我写的帖子不管多幼稚,但尽量做到有理有据,有逻辑,直白易懂。当然,我也写不出什么深奥的东西。希望高手们给我们解惑时,也能花些时间,说...
我读过老兄的帖子,感到您确实在练并有心得。希望有机会结交老兄。
我发那个帖子是有感于太极里有好些东西都是关联在一起的。不从根上去寻究,而是将其剥离,逐个研究,只见树木,不见森林,感到似乎有些不妥。其实太极基本功扎实了,好些问题会有豁然开朗之感。
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旧 Nov 16th, 2010, 20:48     #6
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你自己说的“东西到手了,上身了,你看问题就简单化了。分得越细,究得越深,也就越迷茫。从简单入手,随缘而为,点点滴滴,汇涓成流。
我只是有感而发。”

自相矛盾?如果你自己都没有东西上身,怎么会知道那些事情?而且最后还说“有感而发”?

不要谦虚了,大师。
与人推手,我重视的是对方给我的感觉,哪些是我没有或欠缺的,我师从他们并交流我的体会;看他人的帖子,吸取于我有用的信息并在行拳架时尝试。
凡与我交往过的人,知我人品拳品如何。
大家有共同的爱好,多些真诚交流,少些冷嘲热讽,会有助于拳艺的提高,同时结交朋友
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旧 Nov 17th, 2010, 15:20     #7
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不懂,瞎插嘴。 功夫是不是就是练“弹性系数”。

比较一下汽车减震弹簧和圆珠笔的弹簧。。。
COULDN'T AGREE MORE
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旧 Nov 19th, 2010, 20:16     #8
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默认 无感而发

悟,就是聪明人去想。
但太聪明了,反被聪明误;想的太多了,就找不着门了。
无感而发。
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太精辟了。赞同。我们也该见面好好再玩玩了。
同意。
到时叫着SUNDAY.
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旧 Nov 21st, 2010, 09:30     #10
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默认 真诚交流有益

非常感谢各位拳友对本论题的积极参与和真诚探讨。
本论题的初衷意在以本人的切身感受来探讨我们在太极修炼中所面对的最基本却又非常重要的一个环节------PENG劲。主贴中所提出的模型只是本人这一段习拳及推手交流中的感受,有着极大的局限性。拳友们的随后跟帖中有人提出的模型与体会层次更高些,涵面更广些,从中受益匪浅。
对于给graceFA 和FANTACHI的回帖中有些太严肃了,我表示歉意。其实日常生活中我是个非常嘻哈的人。
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為什麼用'PENG'不是'棚',是有深意?
因我在计算机中找不到真正的PENG字。不是棚,而是”打“字去“丁”加上“朋“为原字。
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[掤]
如是,便有活意。
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既然“高级棚劲几乎没有或很少有压缩,外力无法侵入”,按照能量守恒定律,在不依靠“弹簧”被压缩(越多)而积聚的(越多)势能之情况下,高手在外形动作很小状态下发放对手的“势能”,又是哪里来的呢?或者换个不怎么含糊抽象的“功力”啥的说法,这又是一种什么样的势能呢?

先搞清what,然后才能探讨how...
个人认为是体内爆炸力,劲源为下丹田或中丹田。
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默认 好,有趣!

本楼主起初战战兢兢起了这副帖子,并宣称有感而发,随后引来众拳友争相讨论并得到了小学二年级的结论。这对于幼儿园大班水平的我而言已是收获颇丰。本楼主意欲鸣金收兵,专心操练,无奈witty老兄意犹未进,提出要乘胜追击。于是乎,新一轮务虚探讨轰然而至。俗话说,三个臭皮匠赛过诸葛亮,眼看着就要得出初二水平的结论了。看架势,如要继续探讨下去,高二、可能大二水平的结论也挡不住了。这时一深藏水下的怪物再也按捺不住,浮出水面,直接给出了博士水平的结论。。。。。。可苦了我这个幼儿园大班水平的,又一头雾水罩头。。。。。。
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