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旧 Jul 10th, 2006, 22:38     #1
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7.有一点很重要的是你原来的是什么漆. latex or oil base. 什么颜色的. 需要搞清楚要不要用primer
俺觉着简单起见,有事没事都用primer错不了。

唯一不能错的是,不能把oil base 的油漆刷在latex 的油漆上。

如果本来是water base的,现在刷water base,没问题。
如果本来是oil base的,刷water base or oil base都没问题,只是现在diy基本都用water base,气味小,黏度好,易清洁。

如果分不清本来是哪种,用棉花沾点你老婆用的指甲油,墙上蹭蹭,如果蹭下来颜色,那么是water base,如果蹭不下来颜色,那就是oil base的。

如果根本就懒得分清是哪种颜色,或者需要覆盖以前的油漆颜色,那就刷primer。
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旧 Jul 10th, 2006, 22:56     #2
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primer是啥?中文名有吗?

墙上补洞需要什么材料和工具?
primer就是所谓的底漆咯。

墙上补洞,要看洞是啥规模的,
如果钉子洞或者小洞,弄点crack filler之类的挤在里面,等干了以后,砂纸打平就好。

如果大规模的洞,比如榔头或者花瓶砸出来的,那就用patch mesh先把洞盖上,然后上drywall compound。

如果超级规模的洞,比如饭锅之类的东西给砸出来的,那就从home depot去捡一块scrap drywall回来并且切割成洞的大小,然后洞里要想办法钉上木条,然后把scrap drywall给固定在木条上,然后周围的缝用drywall compound填满,然后砂纸打磨。
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旧 Jul 10th, 2006, 23:18     #3
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应该是不能直接把LATEX刷在OIL上,如果要从OIL转到LATEX,要先用OIL BASED PRIMER,再刷LATEX,一般情况OIL可以直接刷在LATEX上
甲水的好象也反了吧
好的LATEX覆盖效果好,如果原来是浅色的漆,再刷浅色的,一般不用PRIMER就可以,但是最好把墙...
指甲水的那个,木有反,用俺人头担保。因为酒精对oil base的油漆没有影响,所以能蹭下颜色的一定是water base的油漆。

补充:如果是以前刷过的墙面,弄干净平整以后,无论以前上的啥油漆,上两层behr的water base primer,然后再上啥都木问题了。

一点困惑,感谢包大虾指出,不过俺还是觉得latex是可以刷在oil base paint上的,只要你本来的墙面没有出现剥落,而oil base是不能直接上在water base的,因为那样时间久了会裂。

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旧 Jul 11th, 2006, 00:07     #4
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人头噢,就告诉你甲水里起作用的不是酒精,是THINNER,THINNER就是国内叫的天拿水,有刺鼻的味,干啥的你自己查吧
是不是HD的SALES告诉你的?也只有HD推荐BEHR,BEHR是OVER PRICE的漆,一般没人买,PRIMER SEALER用GLIDDEN的好,价格好质量高...
首先甲水里是啥,先不说是稀释剂还是酒精,这不是问题的关键,关键的是我说的那个方法没有反,你用了甲水去蹭油漆,能蹭下来的就是水基油漆,蹭不下的就是油基。

俺不光用behr,俺还用过别的牌子,说behr是over price,多少有点“骇人听闻或者卖弄经验”的意思了,俺认识两个专做painting的公司,一韩国人一英国人,人可都是用behr。是不是HD的sales告诉我的,这个不重要,重要的是你自己对品质的感觉和对价格的承受力。
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旧 Jul 11th, 2006, 23:23     #5
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我上面说的不太清楚,直接是解释原因去了,这样说吧,指甲油是oil based还是water based?
人头啊
包老大和楼主,首先纠正俺的一个错误,前面说water base可以刷在oil base上,是错误的,天地良心,不是俺要故意害人滴,实在是思维瞬间短路所至。

现在的oil base 油漆通常可以刷在both water base 或者 oil base上,如果以前刷的漆是oil base的,2,30年前的老房子更有可能是这个情况,现在想刷latex(水基的油漆现在家居用的比较普遍,黏性好,气味小,干的快),那么需要打primer的,至于是water base的primer还是oil base的primer,问题不大,这个可以根据HD或者Color your world的建议来做。

如果分不清以前的油漆是oil base还是water base的,可以铲下一小块油漆,带到上述的两个店或者你买油漆的店,他们通常都有acetone可以帮助你测试。

现在来说说自己用指甲水来测试油漆是oil base还是water base,我说的指甲水,实际上是nail oil remover,是洗指甲油的那个液体,那个东东的主要成份是丙酮的酒精溶剂,不是包子说的thinner,thinner是稀释剂,那玩意是刷完油漆以后清洗滴在地板上或者衣服上的油漆用的,如果指甲水的主要成分是thinner,那还测试个啥啊,无论啥油漆,用thinner一抹,都得掉色。而且thinner含苯,毒性很大,一般不会用在指甲水这样经常和人亲密接触的化妆用品中,就算使用,也是极其微量的。用俺说的方法没有错,找一点nail oil remover,注意看上面写的成分里要含有acetone,倒一点在布上,能抹下颜色的油漆就是水基,抹不下来的就是油基。
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旧 Jul 11th, 2006, 23:28     #6
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晕,不小心转给了PRINTING二百万,老JOE这破系统
为了公平,再转给baozi一百万
好人呐,俺王老五从来没见过这么多钱,嘿嘿嘿嘿嘿嘿,一夜就成华枫银行VIP了,少奋斗20年哈。多给俺100万,俺笑纳啦。
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旧 Jul 12th, 2006, 00:07     #7
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OIL PAINT :

Various petroleum distillates are available with names like "Odorless Turpentine" and ordinary solvents like acetone (fingernai...
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Take a cotton ball and wet it with acetone (found in most nail polish removers). On an inconspicuous part of the furniture (such as the bottom or back), rub the cotton ball in a circular motion on the surface. If the surface remains unchanged, it is an oil-based paint. If the surface turns gooey or the color goes off, it is a latex paint.
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刷了会有什么问题,谢谢
water base的油漆不能穿透oil base的油漆,这样就不能和base coat黏牢,时间长了会剥落。
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旧 Jul 12th, 2006, 00:42     #9
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算了,看来网上的东西谁都能写,

Take a rag and soak it in methyl hydrate (gas line antifreeze) or non-acetone nail polish remover. Rub the paint vigorously with the ...
这也没啥好争的了。真正有这个需要鉴定oil base or water base 油漆的同志们可以带着剥下来的一小块油漆样品去HD或者Color your world这样的地方检验一下。如果没有这个可能,那么就去店里问一下,看看他们是怎么建议的。
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